tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post7803483590721519338..comments2023-06-05T11:51:38.383-04:00Comments on Evolutionary Psychiatry: Cannabis and PsychosisAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04429177284200775781noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-86668332815173315562013-10-26T23:30:54.045-04:002013-10-26T23:30:54.045-04:00The issue with 'Cannabis and Psychosis' is...The issue with 'Cannabis and Psychosis' isn't with 'Cannabis.'<br /><br />The answer lies in the levels of CBD (Cannabidiol) that are present in the cannabis being used. (Lovely how all these research studies say "Cannabis" like we would say "Trucks"... they're definitely NOT all the same)<br /><br />Cannabidiol (CBD) is an extremely powerful anti-psychotic. It's so powerful that it counteracts THC very well.<br /><br />Strains of cannabis like "Harlequin" that have more CBD than THC in them (8%CBD vs. 6%THC) are completely impossible to get "High" or "Stoned" with.<br /><br />Your patients exhibiting psychosis from cannabis would do the same with Marinol pills... the cannabis they're using has insufficient CBD and will cause Manic Psychosis when enough is taken... just like Marinol pills.<br /><br />Prohibition is the main cause of today's "Recreational Cannabis" that's nearly devoid of CBD (Usually 1% or less these days).<br />http://thecleangame.net/2013/10/prohibition-causes-psychosis/<br /><br />I'm looking forward to the days when people realize the three most important things about cannabis:<br /><br />1# It's non-addictive<br />http://thecleangame.net/2013/09/cannabis-is-non-addictive-period/<br /><br />#2 It's the most medicinal plant on the face of the planet and safer than any man-made drug.<br /><br />#3 The CBD content is what medicinal users are seeking<br /><br />Keep it Clean! ;DTheCleanGamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18056740035334389506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-37905604018867895322012-05-27T02:13:21.341-04:002012-05-27T02:13:21.341-04:00Psychotic people have an increased use of pretty m...Psychotic people have an increased use of pretty much every drug including tobacco and alcohol. You could cook up a study just like this for any of them and claim that it is evidence of a causation link.<br /><br />Psychosis is serious enough that a person will experience symptoms years before diagnosis, so it doesn't matter whether they start using before diagnosis.TheBosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03973200562446760191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-84104452382896214752011-05-21T11:18:01.003-04:002011-05-21T11:18:01.003-04:00do you know about MAPS? (Multidisciplinary Associa...do you know about MAPS? (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies?) they've been running ptsd studies on vets with a lot of success . . . <br /><br />"supporting psychedelic and medical marihuana use since 1986"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-57160554594726041882011-05-21T08:44:00.791-04:002011-05-21T08:44:00.791-04:00Sure, write this AFTER I move to Denver, CO - mecc...Sure, write this AFTER I move to Denver, CO - mecca of medical marijuana.David Csonkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15158978883756798591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-68822276836278356502011-05-21T03:01:23.282-04:002011-05-21T03:01:23.282-04:00Unfortunately most of the psychosis link is correl...Unfortunately most of the psychosis link is correlation related not causation related and there are studies that show one of the main cannabinoids - Cannibidiol is effective in TREATING Schizophrenia - not CAUSING it. Maybe we should look beyond our cognitive biases far enough to see that what we think something is may not be what it is.<br /><br />Here is an article in Wikipedia that details some of the characteristics of a cannabinoid that comprises approximately 40% of the content extracted from Cannabis. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol<br /><br />Just for the record - prevailing opinion from the people who study endocannabinoids is that it's more likely individuals susceptible to psychosis self-medicate with cannabis and thus the link between use and psychosis. <br /><br />You even point out that there is evidence of it not being related but still lead the reader to the conclusion '.... but it might' when there IS evidence that it is ONLY correlation. Maybe we should talk ACTUAL science instead of scare tactics and FUD.Xenophreniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10162904550204565967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-41377896096931403152011-05-18T14:50:50.966-04:002011-05-18T14:50:50.966-04:00My son returned from his service in the US Air For...My son returned from his service in the US Air Force in 2006, flying in out Afghanistan-Iraq, no doubt with some level of PTSD, and the struggles of being a gay serviceman. For the next five years he sunk into a lethargy, probably depression, smoking lots of pot daily. His paternal grandmother had severe schizophrenia, which worried me a lot. But finally, last year, I got him to move in with me for three months. I fed him a primal diet, gave him St. JOhn's Wort 3x daily, along with a good vitamin regimen, and got him into therapy at the VA. He is now , at age 29, a changed young man; back in college doing wonderfully. He had tried anti-depression meds, but didn't like them, and believes even now the pot was better. Your post helped me understand part of my own underlying fears.nancanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08256619100764408537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-70620611312686737872011-05-17T11:44:28.864-04:002011-05-17T11:44:28.864-04:00I agree it is certainly a risk benefit analaysis. ...I agree it is certainly a risk benefit analaysis. And of course the data is observational or animal studies - but you arent going to get a randomized trial of this sort of thing in young people at high rosk for psychosis If you have a family history of psychosis the safe bet is to steer far clear. I'm going to do some more lposts on cannabis, so this article is not the end of the story. Erik, that is interesting and I don't doubt it. I would say the clinical population i have seen is not, for the most part, particular about the source. Always, though, this hopeful refrain starts in group - it's not the cocaine (or whatever), they say, it is the adulterants. I'm afraid, I said (when I used to run such groups) one of the toxic things about cocaine is the cocaine.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04429177284200775781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-46265098731713250232011-05-17T00:59:26.756-04:002011-05-17T00:59:26.756-04:00pot and tequila, the key to my success in undergra...pot and tequila, the key to my success in undergrad and medical school. that must be why i'm not so famous. i do agree that modern pot is just a different animal than that of 20 years ago.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08017283769321903865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-13359855426686233072011-05-16T15:07:07.973-04:002011-05-16T15:07:07.973-04:00re: cannabidiol and social-speaking anxiety... AKA...re: cannabidiol and social-speaking anxiety... AKA, the Ricky Williams experiment... :-Pjs290https://www.blogger.com/profile/08157385596237909630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-82477238374246635342011-05-16T13:28:13.696-04:002011-05-16T13:28:13.696-04:00Like fruit and wheat, modern cannabis is an entire...Like fruit and wheat, modern cannabis is an entirely unnatural product. The most popular strains are bred for abnormally high THC levels, which produce the couch-locking, classic paranoid "stoner" effects, while cannabidiol content, which counteracts the anxiety-inducing effects of THC, has waned. A recent study looked at the cannabinoid composition of seized plants in California and found that the THC:cannabidiol ratios have dramatically increased: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21288662<br /><br />Another study used cannabidiol to actually reduce social-speaking anxiety in subjects: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21307846<br /><br />High-THC strains induce short term memory problems in rats, but strains with balanced THC:cannabidiol ratios do not: http://www.ukcia.org/research/THCCBDWorkingMemory.pdfErikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10796851428259135727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-8408127760508130912011-05-16T10:54:19.406-04:002011-05-16T10:54:19.406-04:00I said this in the vernacular to my kids: Stoners...I said this in the vernacular to my kids: Stoners are losers. With many anecdotes of friends from my youth who came to grief. I did not smoke weed myself. I basically scared the hell out of them by pointing to assorted psychotic relatives, to fat relatives and saying "do you want to increase your chances of ending up like them--there's obviously a possible vulnerability...". They don't smoke weed.<br /><br />It's also interesting how stimulants used to treat ADHD in kid's with a family history of bipolar often trigger psychosis. Sometimes in VERY young kid's. Have seen this directly. Why medication by pediatricians for childhood mental illness is a bad idea.Retrieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036341287285545932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-26187526526501863432011-05-16T10:12:37.387-04:002011-05-16T10:12:37.387-04:00This is really interesting stuff.
Its interestin...This is really interesting stuff. <br /><br />Its interesting that Holland seem to have no increase in psychosis since their decriminalisation, maybe the dutch genes are better! Portugal will be the next test I suppose<br /><br />As a point of interest the UK recently gave marketing authorisation to the cannabis based medicine Sativex, I assume as this pretty much cannbis in a spray (its contains the same cannabinoids) it poses exactly the same risks as regular cannabis? <br /><br />http://peterreynolds.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/the-truth-about-sativex/Thewisemasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12608740297751809677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-19330864855003878422011-05-15T23:42:27.679-04:002011-05-15T23:42:27.679-04:00Dr. Deans,
It comes down to cost/benefit. There&...Dr. Deans,<br /><br />It comes down to cost/benefit. There's no perfect medication. On a macro level, are the costs of keeping drugs illegal worth the benefits, if so benefits to whom? Then on the micro level, is there a cheaper alternative with less side effects for what THC is good for?js290https://www.blogger.com/profile/08157385596237909630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-68637301102783890822011-05-15T19:11:49.046-04:002011-05-15T19:11:49.046-04:00I wonder that too. It isn't unreasonable to co...I wonder that too. It isn't unreasonable to consider the possibility that poor general health is an enabled for a catalyst to wreak havoc. But do we really want the catalyst in the first place? It depends upon the frequency and potency of use how dumb and dulled the drug makes one. I don't recommend that anyone try cannabis either since while some people are able to keep it to a weekly thing that adds a different flavor to life others decide that there is no such thing as too much. We might tell ourselves that we are strong-willed and rational (and teenagers will say it more frequently with less to back it up) but the drugs are exactly what undermine those faculties in the first place. <br /><br />If I want to laugh and be confused I'll read Evolutionary Psychology!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-44462704926748933012011-05-15T18:05:58.215-04:002011-05-15T18:05:58.215-04:00I never inhaled...
Actually the one & only ti...I never inhaled...<br /><br />Actually the one & only time I ever tried it, I was sick for a couple of weeks. Wasn't my scene. However, cutting shapes on the D-floor until the sun came up was, so my recreational drug use was slightly different :)<br /><br />I wonder whether there will be differences in the effects of cannabis on native populations not concurrently consumign neolithic agents vs. those new world types who are? In other words, add in sugar, grains, vegetable oils, alcohol, and so on, and cannabis has an entirely different effect?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com