tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post5808966109810748476..comments2023-06-05T11:51:38.383-04:00Comments on Evolutionary Psychiatry: Acne and SuicideAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04429177284200775781noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-7715593496072978942012-04-23T13:18:19.027-04:002012-04-23T13:18:19.027-04:002 weeks after 9.11 the 16-year old Charles Bishop ...2 weeks after 9.11 the 16-year old Charles Bishop flew his light plane into a sky scraper in Tampa, Florida. His family, and the news media, credited his suicide as a side effect of taking roacutane for his acne. Only 5% of the 120+ news articles at the time played up the matters of his broken home, or of his Syrian-American identity concerns at the time of Operation Desert Storm. Bishop was a popular, high achieving student. His suicide is surely also a casualty of 'civilization.'Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17009714709835257301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-19119165354719469942012-04-23T13:12:23.612-04:002012-04-23T13:12:23.612-04:00you might be interested to know that the suicide o...you might be interested to know that the suicide of Charles Bishop ~ a 16-year old, he flew his light plane into a skyscraper in Florida, 2 weeks after 9.11 ~ was linked, by his family and the newsprint media, with roacutane treatment of his acne.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17009714709835257301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-11453957135624660492010-11-19T15:54:23.793-05:002010-11-19T15:54:23.793-05:00Hang in there light can. I'm not the biggest h...Hang in there light can. I'm not the biggest hormone whiz but an endocrinologist ought to be. When I see late-onset acne though I always think hormones, or PCOS or something, which is also associated with depression.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04429177284200775781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-46827525482693173852010-11-17T12:57:07.344-05:002010-11-17T12:57:07.344-05:00It's funny or maybe not... My daughter made to...It's funny or maybe not... My daughter made today a drawing of her family in school and she made me with a sad face, like this :( saying Hm. So, yes, I was wrong, they do notice it, they both prefer to be with their father (it saddens me of course) but I suppose they're not as judgemental and critical as a grown-up. I totally understand, when I was a child I would have wanted to have another mother, I liked a friend of my mother's more. <br />There's your therapy session for today.lightcanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03050215395108869677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-24477130665327665732010-11-16T07:58:23.269-05:002010-11-16T07:58:23.269-05:00Hi Emily,
Oh, dear, suicide ideation. We have had ...Hi Emily,<br />Oh, dear, suicide ideation. We have had that. Just being the mother of two small children, after a while I got to the conclusion that they're better off with me than without me, although I'm useless, they don't notice it. Inability to cope with 'life', social isolation as an immigrant, feelings of inadequacy and being a failure, non existent self-esteem, etc. Plus scarring acne, serious hairloss, bad relationship giving me the heart disease risk of two packs of cigarettes a day, stress due to the inability to focus on/write well/finish my Ph.D., guilt for the excessive procrastination, all the bad decisions and weaknesses. Did somebody say mess? Or ticking bomb? You think it can't get worse and then one day it does...<br />Tendency to high androgens due to high insulin? But on low carb? I only started having bad acne in my early 30s, it's been on and off, but back with a vengeance. Is it high cortisol? The endo didn't even do a day test.lightcanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03050215395108869677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-85350959731645487262010-11-14T21:41:43.261-05:002010-11-14T21:41:43.261-05:00Retriever - the most common chronic antibiotic use...Retriever - the most common chronic antibiotic used for acne is doxycycline. I didn't find depression as a side effect in the PDR quick reference, and on pubmed a review and comparison of malaria prophylaxis with doxycycline ( while not as long term as acne, the typical treatment starts 4 days before the trip and continues for 4 weeks after getting home) showed no depression or other mood symptoms. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but I'm not finding it on a quick search. Sorry your son is struggling!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04429177284200775781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-48167455324063600322010-11-14T20:36:30.201-05:002010-11-14T20:36:30.201-05:00Very interesting. The inflammation/depression lin...Very interesting. The inflammation/depression link the most intriguing. Have you seen any studies on mood effects of the antibiotic treatments used more long term for adolescent acne? I think I read of some. Have a kid with trouble with both.Retrieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036341287285545932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-77741946776917538822010-11-13T21:31:01.761-05:002010-11-13T21:31:01.761-05:00Acne is considered a mere adolescent right of pass...Acne is considered a mere adolescent right of passage - but it is such a sign of everything that is going wrong with insulin, inflammation, and hormones.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04429177284200775781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-16201277026857478492010-11-13T16:50:29.217-05:002010-11-13T16:50:29.217-05:00I thought you might pick up on that one Emily.
I ...I thought you might pick up on that one Emily.<br /><br />I had very severe acne from late my teens onward (I also had a high glycaemic load diet - potatoes were counted as a vegetable in our house and if I had money for lunch, I would usually spend it all on lollies at the canteen - protein quality would have been low - sausages were considered a good meat - and added fats were almost exclusively margarine - I was always hungry and lived on toast drowned in margarine or bowls of shredded wheat with 2-3 tbsp of sugar and skim milk on top). By late teens I was well over the large painful eruptions I was getting on my face, chest, and back... and multiple courses of antibiotics were not working (anyone see a pattern develop?). I got a referral to a dermatologist and shortly after started taking Roaccutane (as it was marketed here in NZ). As I started to load up on it, I had to endure my mucous membranes drying out, leading to bleeding noses, cracked lips, dry eyes, etc. By this point I was in my first year at university, my diet had changed a little bit - I was starting to buy more 'wholegrain' foods such as cookies with dried apricot and dark chocolate - because these are health you know. I was also just starting to learn how bad all fat was. And I was beginning to train in the gym - circuits twice per day, commute 25-50km per day on my bike, and race my mountain bike. I was 19 years old and weighed 58kg!<br /><br />The first course of Roaccutane certainly seemed to clear the vast majority of my acne. My skin was clearer, but I was very much socially isolated. The most fun I had experienced all year was when I deliberately had myself caught up in a student riot that saw a group of us occupy the university registry for 4 days... I was in there with a bunch of vegetarian misfits.<br /><br />I transferred to Otago University to begin my studies in exercise science, and my acne was starting to return. Back on the Roaccutane I went. I ended up going through 3x 3 month courses on it. I would get blistered if I was in the sun for anything more than 10 minutes. I was now flatting - with a mixture of vegetarians and vegans, and was mostly vegetarian myself - which meant taking mince out of a vegetable dish and replacing it with pasta and beans. I occasionally had tuna, but only if it was in springwater as fat was pure evil. I still consumed a massive amount of sugar and grains. My biggest exposure to fat would have been when we did all you can eat feeds at Pizza Hutt... mmm - fat from cheese and salami - fat of the gods.<br /><br />During all of this, I had a strange mix of being more socialable but still feeling incredibly socially isolated. I was estranged from the vast majority of my family, choosing to have nothing to do with them. This made things very 'quiet' at the end of the year when everyone else went home and you are stuck in a small university town for summer by one's self.<br /><br />I had a succession of relationships (for me at least), and was generally hit pretty hard by these. I spent time in some very dark places in my mind, a suffered from the likes of suicide ideation, etc. It wasn't long after being at my absolute lowest and 'surviving' that I began to hear of the links with Roaccutane causing mental health issues.<br /><br />To recap, yes I had taken Roaccutane, but I was an acne-covered, semi-vegetarian, grain-eating, fructose-eating, fat-avoiding (except for vegetable oils), over-trained, meat-deficient 60kg weakingly, with the stress of mounting student debt and no family support, who had a history of taking antibiotics. I lived in one of the Southern-most cities in New Zealand, would have been vitamin D deficient as a result, plus would have been running multiple other deficiencies as well. So what caused the problems??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-79005566795572973802010-11-13T12:16:53.890-05:002010-11-13T12:16:53.890-05:00My partner had endured 30 years of every treatment...My partner had endured 30 years of every treatment the NHS had to offer for acne, but it was a low carb diet that fixed it, and that within week. If she eats bread or sweets two days running she knows there will be spots, but she also knows that they will go if she keeps off the carbs. Having control means that now it's not an issue any more.Ned Clackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09558631489205130990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3045634714760830992.post-68338837036255559442010-11-13T12:11:48.600-05:002010-11-13T12:11:48.600-05:00owww....i have acne lol... and yea, depression rea...owww....i have acne lol... and yea, depression rears its ugly head, especially during recovery. im definitely not suicidal though, just a hormonal mess :) but hopefully time and good eats will fix thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com